Missouri: Gun Owners Prevail in Veto Override Session

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Missouri: Gun Owners Prevail in Veto Override Session

Postby GoesBang » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:03 am

September 11, 2014

Senate Bill 656 received final approval from the Missouri House of Representatives, and the veto by Governor Jay Nixon (D) was overridden. Things started late yesterday when the state Senate took up SB 656 during the veto override session and approved it by a 23 to 8 vote. The House approved this measure by a 117 to 39 vote, with supporters from both sides of the aisle.

As you might recall from an earlier ILA alert, Governor Nixon vetoed SB 656 and stated:

“Arming teachers will not make our schools safer,” Governor Nixon said. “I have supported and will continue to support the use of duly authorized law enforcement officers employed as school resource officers, but I cannot condone putting firearms in the hands of educators who should be focused on teaching our kids.”

Sponsored by state Senator Will Kraus (R-8) and handled in the House by state Representative Kevin Elmer (R-139), SB 656 addresses the following issues:

Allows the open carrying of firearms in all localities with a carry permit. Some localities currently have ordinances that ban open carrying of firearms, even by those with a valid carry permit.

Allows a school district to designate a teacher or administrator to qualify as a school protection officer and carry a firearm on school property with the proper training. Current law already allows a school district to allow those with a concealed carry permit to carry a firearm on school property – this would allow school personnel to undergo extensive police training.

States that no law shall require health care professionals to inquire about a patient’s ownership or possession of firearms and prohibits the documentation of such information into a database.

Reduces the age from 21 to 19 for those wishing to apply for a concealed carry permit.

Allows someone to qualify for a concealed carry permit using a revolver or semi-automatic pistol, rather than having to qualify with each firearm.

Requires one instructor for every forty people for the classroom portion of a firearms safety training course. Current law allows only forty people per classroom regardless of the number of instructors present.

Specifies that no public housing authority shall prohibit a lessee or a member of the lessee’s immediate household or guest from personally possessing firearms within an individual residence, common areas, or from carrying or transporting firearms to and from such residence in a manner allowed by law.

SB 656 will take effect thirty days after the veto session.
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Re: Missouri: Gun Owners Prevail in Veto Override Session

Postby getvicious » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:05 am

GoesBang wrote:September 11, 2014

Senate Bill 656 received final approval from the Missouri House of Representatives, and the veto by Governor Jay Nixon (D) was overridden. Things started late yesterday when the state Senate took up SB 656 during the veto override session and approved it by a 23 to 8 vote. The House approved this measure by a 117 to 39 vote, with supporters from both sides of the aisle.

As you might recall from an earlier ILA alert, Governor Nixon vetoed SB 656 and stated:

“Arming teachers will not.......

Sponsored by.......

Allows the.......

Allows a school district to designate a teacher or administrator to qualify as a school protection officer and carry a firearm on school property with the proper training. Current law already allows a school district to allow those with a concealed carry permit to carry a firearm on school propertythis would allow school personnel to undergo extensive police training.

States that no law shall require health care professionals to inquire about a patient’s ownership or possession of firearms and prohibits the documentation of such information into a database.

Reduces the.......

Allows someone.......

Requires one.......

Specifies that no public housing authority shall prohibit a lessee or a member of the lessee’s immediate household or guest.......

SB 656 will take effect thirty days after the veto session.


Good for the Missouri House and Senate! :!:

It sounds like this is essentially a law that implements the conceal carry law. I would call this a "You can now carry everywhere since we already gave you the permit for that very thing." law.

The school part is interesting to me. I predict that will mostly be unused other than maybe the Current law already allows a school district to allow those with a concealed carry permit to carry a firearm on school property part.

Why? Money and liability.

Money - If I were a school staff member and the administration came to me and said they want me to be "a school protection officer and carry a firearm on school property with the proper training. I would say: "Sure, how much is the additional salary for this added responsibility and liability?" I predict the answer would be "none."

Liability - If a district designates "a teacher or administrator to qualify as a school protection officer and carry a firearm on school property with the proper training." (staff) and a sick / crazy person engages in a shooting attack (or knife, or baseball bat, or etc.) and that staff who are carrying don't stop the attacker before a student, visitor or staff member gets hurt I see lawsuits against the school district for failing to have adequate protection from that type of attack. We have become a society that no longer believes in an accident or event happening beyond the ability to prevent it and believe government is responsibly for protecting us from everything. As a society we believe we're all "entitled."

The medical record part is also interesting to me. I believe it to be essentially meaningless for anyone who has already been asked those questions and have their gun ownership documented.

Why? The reason an electronic medical record (EMR) is able to be the legal medical record is once the entry is made about the patient (visit, encounter, episode, etc. - whatever term is used) and the medical provider (Nurse, Doctor, etc.) saves it to the EMR (approves, finalizes, etc.) that entry cannot be changed. If an item is recorded in error it cannot be changed, another entry must be made to explain the error and enter the correct information.
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Re: Missouri: Gun Owners Prevail in Veto Override Session

Postby sccytoter » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:32 pm

Well, at least someone is thinking straight...that's good news.
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