Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

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Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby arcus10mm » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:15 pm

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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby getvicious » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:22 pm

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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby arcus10mm » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:56 pm

getvicious wrote:
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I have all ways like the "p11" basic design K.I.S.S.-HANDY- decent fire power...... IMO SCCY STILL needs to work on QC ......on a side note what cot my eye on the SA-9 was the grip profile
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby getvicious » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:14 am

Looks a lot like the Cobra plastic 9mm which looks a lot like the P11 and P40.

Probably all get their plastic frames from the same manufacturer.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby toymachine » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:41 am

I'm not sure of the production timelines, they may have been passing around the same molds, as one company ceases production, goes out of business, etc.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby Ernisto » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:23 pm

Guys, I'm neew to this sight. I was surffing through some threads on the SA-9.I have one in the s/n 6xxx range. It has probably had 2000 or more rounds thru it, with none of the before mentioned defects. I guess I got lucky.
thought I would throw that in.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby sccytoter » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:32 pm

Looks like a Kel Tec P-11.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby adam01364 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:53 pm

A little history (Edited- got the models mixed up):

Standard Arms was a Jim Waldorf venture after Lorcin failed; his influence can be seen in the trigger guard "horn". He made this pistol by blatantly copying the Kel-Tec P11. The company had a shaky financial foundation and the quality was pretty much Lorcin-esque, they didn't last and soon vanished. Standard Arms pistols came chambered in .380, 9mm, and 40S&W. (Never seen a .40, BTW)

Talon Industries picked up where Standard left off, Talon made two models, the T-100 in .380 and the T-200 in 9mm. The folks at Talon thought they'd save themselves some money by scrimping on the material used for their slides; they cast their slides in Zamak. Yes, pot metal. There were multiple slide failures and some really, really nasty injuries; Talon was sued every which way, and they promptly went belly up.

The next company to emerge from the remnants of Talon was Cobra Industries. Cobra got the slide right and named their versions of the pistols the "Patriot" Series. Cobra offers the pistol as the PAT380 and PAT9. Like SCCY, these guns have lifetime warranties on their guns, regardless of who owns them. Unlike SCCY, customer service at Cobra is -to put it bluntly- extremely lame.

The one thing that I find interesting about Cobra is how they cherry picked the pistols they make from the remnants of companies that have gone out of business: at Cobra you'll find the old Republic Arms .45 reincarnated at the PAT45, the Talon/Standards pistols as PAT380 and PAT9 , the Lorcin L32 and L380 as the FS32 and FS380 (FS meaning "Freedom Series") the Davis P32 and P380 as the CA32 and CA380, plus all the Davis derringers as well.

Oops, sorry got a little wordy there.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby getvicious » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:07 pm

I thought Cobra was the home of the current incarnation of the old Raven. I thought their FS32 was an updated Raven in .32 Auto rather than .25 ACP.

Lots of the original SNS pistols are being produced under new names - Cobra - Phoenix - Jimenez Arms (JA).
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby adam01364 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:39 pm

You're very close, they're related for sure. But Cobra never made a Raven. That'd be Phoenix Arms, whose first production pistol was the "Model Raven".
The Davis P-32 and P-380 share the same frame and are essentially a Raven -on steroids. They look the same until you see them side by side.
The Davis P-32 and P-380 became the Cobra CA32 and CA380 respectively.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby adam01364 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:07 pm

Davis vs Raven for comparison. I always thought the two were close in size until I saw my first Davis.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby getvicious » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:40 pm

I thought the Raven was bigger. I've never actually seen one. Apparently it's the same size, or very close, as my JA22. That pistol is interesting. Under the grip, the frame is labeled "JENNINGS J22" even though the J22 hasn't been made for many years.

SNS guns are interesting and can be pretty good.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby adam01364 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:19 am

The Raven and the J-22 are practically the same size; the Raven is more squared off than the J-22. I find the J-22 fits in my hand very nicely.
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Re: Standard Arms of Nevada SA-9mm

Postby GoesBang » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:26 am

Somewhere I think I have a modded Cobra Patriot magazine to fit the SCCY.
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