Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby Orangedotfever » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:28 am

parkerd wrote:A firearms manufacturer has a different class of FFL. They can swap out a firearm for you under their FFL, transparent to you, no paperwork for you.


I was unaware of that. Thanks for the info.

I will be going to the NRA convention in Louisville in May. I'll be making a stop by the SCCY booth to ask a few questions.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby yogi3 » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:38 pm

----just remembering how some jerry rigging keep that old rig going-------regarding the repairs to the firearm, I could not agree more with your statement or of others-----a phone call should be placed demanding an investigation on how it was returned to you, hope you saved all paperwork and shipping labels----------not to make any accusations , but I wonder if somehow the original gun that was heading for the junk pile was tinkered with, and mistakenly shipped back..............
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:37 am

economod wrote:"Wood was chosen due to its characteristics, it is strong enough to function as a shim but still pliable enough to not damage the receiver or polymer grip. If it gives you any problems, please let me know because yours would be the first to have issues after the repair."

That quote was from the armorer a week ago last Wednesday, in response to my initial inquiry about wooden parts.
Last Friday morning, I replied to him with this further inquiry ...

I had sent it in because the polymer frame had cracked at the rear frame pin.
It came back with a new polymer frame, which now includes wooden shims.
I assumed that there were no wooden parts installed when I bought it new.
What necessitates wooden shims? ... the new frame? ... the old receiver? ... other?

I have since fired 40 rounds through the weapon.
The wooden shim on the right side has slipped downward 1/8" or more.
Will it interfere with any internal mechanisms if it slips further out of sight?

When it came back, there was no service report describing what was fixed.
I don't know what other repairs were made, if any.
Is there a record of repairs on this particular weapon?

Thank you - x
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:14 am

getvicious wrote:You’re obviously not getting satisfaction from the normal warranty channel. You might try calling and ask to speak to Joe Roebuck or Wayne Holt. Tell them your experience and ask what they intend to do to make it right.

I'll let it fester for a week, just because SCCY has been such a huge waste of my time, effort & cash.

I paid $250+tax for this lemon, and it's never been right.

Before the cracked frame, I honestly tried hard to like this weapon.
Now with the temporary wooden parts warranty, confidence has dipped way below zero.

Scrap receiver from factory new. - - - Wood shims from factory warranty.

Temporary repair depicts very low quality. Built-To-Last mentality is absent. Not worth hundreds of dollars.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby rogertc1 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:02 am

Please post pictures of new frame with wood shims.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:04 am

economod wrote:I added a photo on page 3 of SCCY's wooden shim solution.
It shows the wooden shim on the left side.
There is a also a wooden shim on the right side, but after only 40 shots it has fallen deep inside the frame.

This is ridiculously temporary. More of an insult, than a legitimate solution. Probably get duct-tape next.
Makes me feel like I'm the experiment.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:03 am

Temporary repair depicts very low quality. Built-To-Last mentality is absent. Not worth hundreds of dollars.

Scrap receiver from factory new. - - - Wood shims from factory warranty.

WHY doesn't ALUMINUM or POLYMER permanently fill these gaps in my $250 lemon?

If I'd known there were wooden parts in it, I wouldn't have bought it in the first place, at any price.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:40 am

Volt wrote:That's absolutely pathetic..........wood?
I cannot imagine ANY firearm manufacturer using wood to correct a production defect!

I can't imagine it either. I'm stunned. I bought it brand new at a LGS, paid full price, and this gun was never right.

SCCY Warranty Repair Service used temporary wooden shims to compensate for a sloppy scrap receiver that will never, ever fit the frame.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby getvicious » Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:42 pm

economod - SCCY has no presence on this forum since Jason left a couple years ago. There's no indication they visit. They also don't keep up their web page very well.

They do seem to focus a lot on their company Face Book page. You might try posting a complaint there with your picture of the wood "shims" - it might get some attention there.

Have you tried calling and speaking to the President or Owner yet?

https://www.facebook.com/SCCY-Firearms-165269913492661/?fref=ts
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:01 pm

getvicious ... In an email, the armorer (whose name you mentioned) requested that I contact him if there were any problems. So I replied to him via email (which I posted on page 5) last Friday morning asking three specific questions. I intend to give him a week to reply, but so far no response.

Thanks for the link, but I don't belong to FB, and it appears I cannot view their webpage.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:26 pm

I've owned fewer than a dozen guns in the past 40+ years. This SCCY has by far been the worst.
It's never been right, and improvisational repairs will never restore lost confidence.

I've been a manager, a tool designer, a mechanic, a plumber, an electrician, and a carpenter.
Temporary quick-fixes have been my technical hands-on focus to overturn for a long time.
Warranty superglue & toothpicks are contemptuous of my total cash, time and effort invested.

But, life's too short to fuss over this anymore. Much better guns are available and affordable.
The armorer emailed me this evening, and I'll phone him in the morning.
This wood debacle is just beyond my realm of acceptable reasoning.
I'd like it replaced with a new gun that I can sell with a clear conscience.

I've since moved on with my new SAR B6P.
It's not the most expensive gun I've ever owned, but so far it's been one of the best.
Volt ... Enjoy your CZ 75B. And good luck your CPX. May the odds be ever in your favor.

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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:23 pm

arcus10mm wrote:economod looking at your pic your receiver rails are shorter than mine and others i have seen---how many more are out there like this?

Thank you, arcus10mm, for this clue. Yourself and my assumptions are correct ... scrap receivers & wood shims.

The armorer explained that a batch of receivers around sn 130xxx did have shorter rails, and they had been either assembled or repaired in this same manner. He said none have failed since being shimmed with wood, and that he had never had this conversation before now. He confirmed that the extra room behind the rails is what allows the rear pin to take the force of recoil, cracking the frame. He confirmed that the rails are supposed to be long enough to make contact with the frame and distribute the force directly.

I'll be sending this CPX back for new replacement.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby Pony Soldier » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:43 pm

Apparently I was short changed. Serial number 149xxx purchased July 2014, went back to factory for cracked frame at rear pin last year. Five day turn around time, but I did not receive any wood shims. If problem occurs again, please advise, should I use flat or rounded toothpicks.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:34 am

Pony Soldier ...
Does yours also have "short rails" (open space between the receiver and the frame) like my pic on page 3?
Can you upload a similar pic?
Does your front pin also walk out of position?
Thanks.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby Pony Soldier » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:28 am

I do have full legenth rails on my pistol. I don't have a camera set upfor pictures, sorry.
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