Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:03 am

Pony Soldier wrote:I do have full legenth rails on my pistol. I don't have a camera set upfor pictures, sorry.

I don't have a camera readily available either. No biggey.

The armorer confirmed that a "batch" of receivers with short rails were shipped. I didn't ask how many.
He was enthusiastically satisfied with the wooden shim remedy, and said nobody had ever asked about.
After I told him that wood was not acceptable, he then offered to re-build my weapon with a new receiver.

Until arcus10mm mentioned that my rails were shorter than any he'd seen, I assumed they all fit this sloppy.
I'll feel alot better about (selling) this CPX when I get a full-length receiver that fits the frame correctly.
I'm considering a Taurus 809c to carry. The 4.5" barrel of my B6P is a little too long to hide under a shirt.
2016 SCCY WOOD SHIMS > viewtopic.php?p=50025#p50025
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CPX2 DESTROYED > viewtopic.php?p=51413#p51413
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby Tincan Sailor » Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:42 pm

My CPX2 also has the gap between the receiver and the frame. The serial number is 162xxx. I have had problems with walking pins but so far no cracked frame.
Apparently, the short receiver problem goes further than SCCY has said.
By the way I have over 700 rounds through it.
Maybe I have been fortunate, but I will be watching it very closely.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:44 pm

Thanks parkerd. My brother has a PT111-G2 and also has had zero problems with it. I haven't held it since he put a Pachmayr grip sleeve on it, so perhaps it fits my hand better now. I am considering the PT809c for its slightly larger grip and exposed hammer (and low price), although I've not seen nor held one yet. I understand that Taurus is in the midst of moving into a new production facility in Brazil, so I may not find an 809c for a while.

re: taurus moving ... http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/pt92- ... ost2322644
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:04 pm

Tincan Sailor wrote:My CPX2 also has the gap between the receiver and the frame. The serial number is 162xxx.
I have had problems with walking pins but so far no cracked frame.
Apparently, the short receiver problem goes further than SCCY has said.
By the way I have over 700 rounds through it.
Maybe I have been fortunate, but I will be watching it very closely.

Tincan Sailor ... Yours is the only other CPX besides mine that I'm aware of with the same short-rail receiver.
Yep, keep an eye on it, especially with walking pins ... my front pin only walked 1/32" before it cracked.

The armorer didn't say how many short-rail receivers were shipped, nor how many were shimmed with wood.
I'll ship mine back to SCCY (for the 3rd time) on Monday, and will update after it returns.
{It arrived at SCCY on Tuesday Apr-12 at 11:55am ... two weeks later, no word}

10 cracked frames between 116xxx and 157xxx in this thread ... viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15593&p=49221#p49221
Surely there are many more cracked frames reported in other threads throughout the forum.
This doesn't mean that most cracked frames are from the "batch" of short-rail receivers ... or, does it ?
2016 SCCY WOOD SHIMS > viewtopic.php?p=50025#p50025
9mm AMMO LENGTH > viewtopic.php?p=48248#p48248
CPX2 DESTROYED > viewtopic.php?p=51413#p51413
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:06 pm

I shipped my CPX back to SCCY for replacement 17 days ago (Monday April-11).
Today I received this Service Update email ...

Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are experiencing a temporary standstill in our plastic mold department. We expect to be back into production the week of May 30th and back to shipping new product and repairs within the first week of June. We at SCCY appreciate your patience while we are updating our tooling.
2016 SCCY WOOD SHIMS > viewtopic.php?p=50025#p50025
9mm AMMO LENGTH > viewtopic.php?p=48248#p48248
CPX2 DESTROYED > viewtopic.php?p=51413#p51413
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby getvicious » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:47 pm

economod wrote:I shipped my CPX back to SCCY for replacement 17 days ago (Monday April-11).
Today I received this Service Update email ...

Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are experiencing a temporary standstill in our plastic mold department. We expect to be back into production the week of May 30th and back to shipping new product and repairs within the first week of June. We at SCCY appreciate your patience while we are updating our tooling.

Wow - Down for more than a month. :shock:
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby arcus10mm » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:48 pm

economod wrote:I shipped my CPX back to SCCY for replacement 17 days ago (Monday April-11).
Today I received this Service Update email ...

[color=#FF4000]Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are experiencing a temporary standstill in our plastic mold department. We expect to be back into production the week of May 30th and back to shipping new product and repairs within the first week of June. We at SCCY appreciate your patience while we are updating our tooling.
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sounds like double talk to me
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:03 pm

It was 20 days ago that I spoke to the armorer (Friday April-8). He told me that they would rob the plastic slide hold lever from my CPX, and rebuild the gun with a new receiver, and that it may take a week.

The only thing that would surprise me now is if they actually fix it.
2016 SCCY WOOD SHIMS > viewtopic.php?p=50025#p50025
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby Mrbone » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:36 pm

It will never be right. Im sorry to rain on your parade, but mine has been back twice as many times as yours lol.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:37 am

This CPX has never been right since it was brand new ($250+tax).
I just want to get it back asap, so I can sell it before SCCY closes its doors.
This CPX has been an embarrassing waste of time, effort, ammo and cash.

1st factory defect @ 200rds - gone 10 days - spring failed, parts revised, assembled wrong
2nd factory defect @ 480rds - gone 15 days - pin walked, frame cracked
3rd factory coverup @ 520rds - junk receiver, shimmed with wood, may take two months
(Shipped for replacement Mon-Apr-11)

Short-rail receiver caused frame to crack. The Receiver Is DEFECTIVE ... Should Have Never Been SOLD!
Rather than scrap the receiver, warranty service reinstalled it with wooden shims in a brand new frame.
Temporary repairs like that add new meaning to "SCCY Perpetual Warranty".

Can't shame the shameless.
See pic on page 3 ... viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17399&start=30#p50025
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Tue May 03, 2016 7:04 am

I was originally concerned about the wood shim on the right side, because it appeared to have slipped lower into the frame and could perhaps interfere with an internal mechanism, spring, etc.

When I discussed it with the armorer, he said he normally installs the wood shims low in the frame, so they're not so visible. He assured me with certainty that there is nothing internal beneath the shim to interfere with.

Hmmm, I wonder ... Could it be that the shim on the left side has slipped upward?
I had only fired 40 rounds since the wood shims were installed by SCCY.
I wonder if there are any mechanisms that could cause interference above the shims?

And ... IF these new wooden frame buffers are a temporary consumable (as the slide whittles them away), perhaps future models with short-rail receivers will opt for extended wooden frame buffers that might endure a whole box of ammo!

Can't shame the shameless.
See pic on page 3 ... viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17399&start=30#p50025
2016 SCCY WOOD SHIMS > viewtopic.php?p=50025#p50025
9mm AMMO LENGTH > viewtopic.php?p=48248#p48248
CPX2 DESTROYED > viewtopic.php?p=51413#p51413
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby arcus10mm » Tue May 03, 2016 8:50 am

economod wrote:I was originally concerned about the wood shim on the right side, because it appeared to have slipped lower into the frame and could perhaps interfere with an internal mechanism, spring, etc.

When I discussed it with the armorer, he said he normally installs the wood shims low in the frame, so they're not so visible. He assured me with certainty that there is nothing internal beneath the shim to interfere with.

Hmmm, I wonder ... Could it be that the shim on the left side has slipped upward?
I had only fired 40 rounds since the wood shims were installed by SCCY.
I wonder if there are any mechanisms that could cause interference above the shims?

And ... IF these new wooden frame buffers are a temporary consumable (as the slide whittles them away), perhaps future models with short-rail receivers will opt for extended wooden frame buffers that might endure a whole box of ammo!

Can't shame the shameless.
See pic on page 3 ... viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17399&start=30#p50025

They should have glued it :lol:
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby getvicious » Tue May 03, 2016 9:04 am

I wonder about using epoxy. Kind of like how you would "bed" the mechanism for a rifle.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Tue May 03, 2016 10:00 am

getvicious wrote:I wonder about using epoxy. Kind of like how you would "bed" the mechanism for a rifle.

Exactly.
He said they had tried other things, but that wood was their material of choice.
Probably for its minimal cost and ease of application.
The impermanence didn't seem to matter, as if they didn't expect anyone to actually fire the weapon.

He also told me that it costs SCCY $60 shipping for every CPX round trip.
That's some expensive toothpicks! Can't fix stupid.

arcus10mm wrote:They should have glued it :lol:

Wood is certainly not an acceptable material in our contemporary marketplace, even for a bottom tier firearm.
But even if they had cut shims from stiffer material and glued them in, what would happen if/when the glue fails, and the stiffer shims move upward? The slide could be impeded, and may not fully cycle, eh?

I guess wood really is the perfect material to get this CPX-SNS*** out the door. :(

***My sincerest apologies to the Ring Of Fire for that biased reference. - ZAMAK - Always Better Than Wood!
2016 SCCY WOOD SHIMS > viewtopic.php?p=50025#p50025
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby getvicious » Tue May 03, 2016 6:58 pm

economod wrote:***My sincerest apologies to the Ring Of Fire for that biased reference. - ZAMAK - Always Better Than Wood!

Now that's funny.

I have a JA22 and JA380. My small kid has a J22. All are just fine and work well. Their only real drawback is their weight - kind of heavy.
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