Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Tue May 03, 2016 7:06 pm

I'd really like to hold a JA22, but haven't seen one locally.
I wish Rural King would drop SCCY and pickup Jimenez.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby getvicious » Tue May 03, 2016 8:54 pm

They do gun shows at the fairgrounds here every 3 months or so (2 different promoters). I see JA guns almost every time I go. I bought both mine at those shows.

Check out gun shows.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Wed May 04, 2016 6:18 am

getvicious wrote:Check out gun shows.

I thought that might be the case. Thanks.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:12 pm

Received last Tuesday (gone 50 days) a brand-new-in-box replacement CPX-2-TT, sn: 2699XX.
Sold it today for $220 cash, a 2yr $48 lesson. :D Happy ending.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby arcus10mm » Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:31 pm

economod wrote:Received last Tuesday (gone 50 days) a brand-new-in-box replacement CPX-2-TT, sn: 2699XX.
Sold it today for $220 cash, a 2yr $48 lesson. :D Happy ending.

the curse is gone bye a loto ticket :lol:
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby Mrbone » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:31 pm

Wow yeah you won!
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby getvicious » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:40 pm

economod - What are you replacing it with?
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:43 am

getvicious wrote:economod - What are you replacing it with?

I don't want a collection. I want to fulfill specific purposes with the fewest amount of guns & ammo.
That sounds bland to me, too. blah blah blah

For now, I'm perfectly content with my full-size 9mm B6P ($252 net). It's been 100% reliable, and fulfills the roles of home defense weapon and target pistol. With the $6 eBay grip sleeve, it fits my hand with a snug tacky feel. It's also slim enough to conceal IWB under proper clothing, but there are obviously smaller, lighter pistols that are better CC solutions.

JA-22 ... Fun, cheap, small, could be my next lesson
TCP ... Pocket or AIWB CC - Expensive 380 ammo, would spend more for the BSS model
709 ... Appendix IWB CC - Cheap 9mm ammo, Whittakerguns $182+$13+ffl, this might happen
111G2 ... IWB CC - Probably the best bang-for-buck multi-purpose pistol for most folks
B6Pc ... IWB CC - Proven design, can use my B6P mags, but not appreciably smaller than my full-size

Many other brands available, but Taurus seems to hold the market that I'm focused upon.
I'm in no rush to decide. Just hope to avoid fiasco's ... like everyone.
Besides all that, if I set a goal to appendix carry a single-stack 9, maybe it'll help me lose some belly fat ... wish.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby getvicious » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:17 pm

I've got a JA22. Took some fluff and buff work but shoots good and every time. It is a LOT of fun. If you get one be sure to join the Bryco-Jennings-Jimenez Arms forum. Really good forum. http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:46 pm

I think the TCP is the only one of the bunch that, if I didn't buy it, I'd still wish I had one.
$170+ffl free shipping FS model one mag in-stock at KyGunCo ... but I'll probably buy it local.

Actually, it was a TCP that I was interested in two years ago when I first saw the sccy in a display case.
I ended up buying it a few days later, because it fit my hand well, and I thought the TCP was too small.
I now see that I was trying to multi-purpose that gun, between range shooter and pocket pistol.
Wrong, and wrong. That was the only mistake I made in 2014. <ntf
I now have a great target/HD gun B6P, and still want a good pocket pistol, so it's time for the TCP once again.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby tripleb » Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:33 pm

economod wrote:I now see that I was trying to multi-purpose that gun, between range shooter and pocket pistol.
Wrong, and wrong.


Yep economod, it's almost impossible to have a pocket gun that works well as a range gun also.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby economod » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:04 pm

tripleb wrote:Yep economod, it's almost impossible to have a pocket gun that works well as a range gun also.

Exactly ... This bogus compromise handgun resulted in a double fail ... It satisfied neither role ... My bad.
Compounded by a fragile factory lemon and deceptive warranty service ... Hindsight 20/20 ... Live and learn.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby strider43 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:22 pm

getvicious wrote:Has anyone contacted SCCY about the engineering issues behind the small frame pins? There are a lot of comments on the forum here but that doesn't let SCCY know anything.

As a side note the original (1st Gen) CPX-1 has frame pins about twice the diameter as the pins used in the 2nd Gen models. For some reason SCCY went to smaller diameter pins in the 2nd Gen models.


its a nice thought that they would care about issues in the field or engineering issues. Being as things are now with manufacturer's as long as it kinda works sometimes and they can sell it they are happy. its all about money, there are no good products anymore.
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Re: Cracked Frame at Rear Pin

Postby strider43 » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:56 am

economod wrote:
Toothpick-Left-crop.jpg

See the rear face of the slide rail of the receiver, on both left and right sides.
From top view looking down, there are two small gaps between the aluminum and the polymer.
Imagine forcing a toothpick into each gap, and snapping it off flush with the frame ledge.
That's what it looks like.

To be perfectly clear, this is how it came back to me from SCCY. Ask their main armorer.

Un-pinned, the receiver can move front-to-back within the frame. Two pins locate it in the frame.
The force of recoil is transferred to the receiver thru the lower half-round of the guide rod.
If/when the front pin walks out of position, the receiver uses the gaps for rearward movement.
This loose-in-frame receiver slams its force against the rear frame pin alone, cracking polymer.

Huh, I paid $279.00 for my cpx-2 almost three years ago. for another $100.00 I could of gotten an LC9

Filling the tiny gaps on each side eliminates the space-to-move, and hopefully saves polymer.
The force is transferred from the rear faces of the receiver, thru the shims and into the frame.
1) The gaps must be filled (with something solid) to exclude the force from the rear pin.
2) The frame pins must not move out of position.

BTW, when the receiver moves rearward, the chamber gets closer to the magazine.
So close, in fact, that it causes extraction interference! > > WHAT?? Longer ammo fails??
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This has been going on for years.

This is a serious defect. Either the tolerances need to be tightened, or a dimension needs to change.
Either the problem hasn't been thoroughly defined, or is deemed economically unfeasible to resolve.
WHY doesn't ALUMINUM or POLYMER permanently fill these gaps in my $250 lemon?

SCCY touts the use of quality materials. uhh ... spruce-pine-fir, cedar, hemlock ... best fps lumber?
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SCCY WOOD SHAM - SCRAP-IN-A-BOX

Postby economod » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:42 am

strider43 wrote:Huh, I paid $279.00 for my cpx-2 almost three years ago. for another $100.00 I could of gotten an LC9

... or (for less money) a PT-111-G2 compact 12+1 CC pistol ... my brothers is 100% reliable.
... or (for less money) a B6P full-size 17+1 range/HD pistol ... mine is 100% reliable.

I paid $250+tax almost two years ago for my overpriced defective scrap-in-a-box sccy slag.
But, a wooden warranty and carefree assembly don't mask the flawed rudimentary design:

Improve the thin flexible frame... can't curb the slide-hold spring, or the chop-shop receiver.
Improve the loose frame pins... they are too small, too few, and lack any fail-safe retention.
Improve the archaic no-sear action... add half-cocked position, decocker & firing pin block.
And try to remember... DON'T SALVAGE and SHIP any more DEFECTIVE FACTORY SCRAP !!

Built like my random sample, they're a Fragile Overpriced Gumball-Gadget CLOWN PROP.
On every range trip, something else broke ... until finally the cheap plastic frame cracked.
I'd much rather fluff-n-buff any new Jimenez, for half the costs I wasted on this sccy trash.

Sccy Hides Wooden Shims inside their​ flimsy frames to Salvage their Scrap-Bin Receivers.
Garbage-In <---> Garbage-Out ... Buyer Beware. hth
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