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"top quality factory manufactured ammunition"

Postby getvicious » Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:13 pm

I was reading another thread and got thinking about "top quality factory manufactured ammunition" (1)....

Every gun manufacturer has a statement (disclaimer) in their user manual about what type of ammunition to use (at least every one I've ever seen does). Their ammunition disclaimer normally reads something like: "top quality factory manufactured ammunition" (2) or "high quality, original, factory-manufactured ammunition" (3)

Many times there is some reference to ammo meeting some specification standard like: "Always use ammunition that complies with the industry performance standards established by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute, Inc., of the United States, (SAAMI) or the equivalent from other countries." (4)

What ammo IS "top" and "high" quality ammunition? What ammo is NOT "top" and "high" quality ammunition?

Here in the US we mostly produce and use brass case ammo. In Russia, and many former Soviet-Block countries they produced steel case ammo and have been using it for as long as we've been using brass case ammo.

Even here there are some manufacturers that make steel and aluminum cased ammo - Hornady Steel Match and Blazer for example.

There is a lot of steel cased ammo made in Russia and Eastern Europe (and other places too) under the Tulla and Wolf name. Those brands also offer brass cased ammo too.

All ammo sold in the US that I've seen that's US factory-made ammo meets either SAAMI or CIP specifications (where there are standards for the particular ammo caliber) and all Russian, and others, factory-made ammo does too, as does NATO ammo.

Apparently, there are no SAAMI (or perhaps CIP either) specifications for some +P, and above, ammo:
"In addition, it seems some ammunition marked “+P” is not SAAMI compliant either. There are only four calibers that can carry a “+P” rating from SAAMI. They are 38 Special +P, 9mm Luger +P, 38 Super Automatic and 45 Automatic +P. There are no other SAAMI approved “+P” loads. Any ammunition in any other caliber marked “+P” is not SAAMI compliant, may be dangerous and should not be used." (5) And: "Never use “Plus -P -Plus” (+P+) rated ammunition in any Taurus firearm. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI) does not recognize such ratings and such ammunition can be very dangerous. Firing such ammunition can cause catastrophic failure in firearms resulting in serious bodily injury or death." (6)

Is "top" or high" quality factory made ammo the ammo that meets either SAAMI or CIP specifications?

Can anyone name a factory ammo that is not "top" or high" quality factory made ammo? If so, what is it and, perhaps more importantly, why is it not "top" or high" quality factory made ammo?

BTW - Just because you may not like a particular ammo does NOT make it NOT "top" or high" quality factory made ammo. There must be some specification that it fails to meet or other verifiable testable reason to label something as NOT "top" or high" quality factory made ammo.

(1) - page 15 of the CPX-1 & CPX-2 SERIES Instruction Manual
(2) - page 15 of the CPX-1 & CPX-2 SERIES Instruction Manual
(3) - page 20 of the TAURUS SLIM SERIES INSTRUCTION MANUAL
(4) - page 20 of the TAURUS SLIM SERIES INSTRUCTION MANUAL
(5) - page 21 of the TAURUS SLIM SERIES INSTRUCTION MANUAL
(6) - page 21 of the TAURUS SLIM SERIES INSTRUCTION MANUAL
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Re: "top quality factory manufactured ammunition"

Postby getvicious » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:29 pm

I've also noticed that some guns have specific ammo requirements to maintain the warranty.

I saw an ad about an MMC AR-15 and looked it up.

The second paragraph under "Ammunition Warning" of the MMC AR Owners Manual states:
"Using any reloaded ammunition, any steel cased ammunition or Wolf ammunition VOIDS your Limited Lifetime Warranty."
http://www.classicfirearms.com/media/manuals/MMC%20AR%20Owners%20Manual.pdf

Seems pretty clear what ammo MMC considers to not fall into the "top quality" ammo category. Obviously, not all ammo is acceptable for use by all manufacturers.

I guess the lesson here is to read the owner's manual so you don't accidentally (unknowingly) void your warranty.

It's probably also smart to get a copy of the owner's manual and read it for any new gun you're considering buying. There may be limitations you must operate within to keep the warranty in force that you're not able (or willing) to comply with. In which case, you should probably not buy that particular gun and find another that has limitations you can comply with.
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