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CIP rated ammo

Postby Mitch » Thu May 21, 2015 2:27 pm

I just found some Perfecta 9mm at Wally World for $10.97. Made in Italy distributed by Tulammo USA. Some people on the internet say it's made by Fiocchi. It has CIP on the back so does Sellier & Bellot 9mm of which I also have a box. Has anyone shot either of these through your Sccy? Or does anyone have any info? Not sure if the CIP would be the same rating as +P.
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Re: CIP rated ammo

Postby getvicious » Thu May 21, 2015 4:48 pm

C.I.P. is essentially the European equivalent of SAAMI here in the US.

C.I.P. sets chamber pressure standards for ammo like SAAMI does. BUT - the measurement methods are not the same.

It's very hard to compare C.I.P. pressure to SAAMI. Your "Not sure if the CIP would be the same rating as +P." really does not apply as +P is a SAAMI standard, not a C.I.P. standard.

NATO standard ammo is a C.I.P. standard.

I think (based on reading the different standards and a little interpolation) that this might be the hierarchy of ammo chamber pressure 9mm Luger ammo.
SAAMI standard pressure.
C.I.P. standard pressure.
NATO standard pressure.
SAAMI +P pressure.
+P+ pressure above SAAMI +P pressure ammo into the area above SAAMI standards where no industry standard actually exists.

Lots of people have fired NATO (C.I.P.) ammo thru their CPX. I have some that I'll fire one of these days. I've fired a lot of BrassMAXX ammo and like how it works. I would assume it's C.I.P. standard since TulAmmo ammo is C.I.P. If the price was right on the Perfecta when I was buying 9mm Luger ammo, I'd buy it and shoot it.

Do a little research and decide if you're comfortable shooting the C.I.P. ammo. Since you're the one shooting it, it really comes down to your decision.

It's interesting that there's no 9mm Luger ammo listed in the Perfecta Line on the Fiocchi web site.
http://www.fiocchiuk.com/site/index.php?pag=791&linea=53&titolo_prod=Perfecta%20Line

Perfecta isn't listed on the TulAmmo site either, nor is their BrassMAXX ammo. The Russian TulAmmo site states: "All the cartridges comply with C.I.P. requirements and feature non-corrosive primers"
http://tulammousa.com/products/
http://en.tulammo.ru/

This guy makes a pretty good case (on the surface) that Perfecta and BrassMAXX are the same, just labeled and boxed differently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E09u1PYBAH8

I have yet to find a manufacturer's web site for BrassMAXX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Internationale_Permanente_pour_l%27Epreuve_des_Armes_%C3%A0_Feu_Portatives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_Arms_and_Ammunition_Manufacturers%27_Institute
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Re: CIP rated ammo

Postby Mitch » Fri May 22, 2015 4:56 pm

Thanks for the info I'll do some more research
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Re: CIP rated ammo

Postby tripleb » Sat May 23, 2015 9:13 pm

Mitch,

I have shot the Perfecta ammo ... runs great in my CPX2. I can feel a difference between Perfecta and WWB. The Perfecta has a little more "punch".
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Re: CIP rated ammo

Postby Stickfarm » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:49 am

Perfecta is produced by Fiocchi and distributed by TulAmmo. I've shot quite a bit of it. It works well and is actually fairly clean. My guess is, it would be considered standard velocity. I base this only by the way it swings steel targets. I have shot Perfecta, Fiocchi, and Winchester NATO, at the same time. Of the 3, Perfecta swings the targets the least and has the least felt recoil. My opinion, it moves the slide, it's clean, and it's available and cheap; also not bimetal.
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Re: CIP rated ammo

Postby jimbojr85 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:32 am

Never heard of this ammo before. How did the primers look after shooting? The ZQI stuff I got at Wallymart shot with a bit more "kick" and also showed cratered primers. Are the primers staked in place like military ammo? Is the brass reloadable?
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Re: CIP rated ammo

Postby tripleb » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:58 pm

Most Walmarts sell the Perfecta ammo. I have used the 9mm with zero issues. No the primers are not staked and the brass is reloadable.
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